Talk:Missions (LW2)

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Mission Objectives

I've noticed that mission objectives may include things like "Investigate a lead" or "Get Advents Attention" that can be attached to some of the mission types. Most likely the "relay" "hacking" "Looting" and "VIP" missions.

I believe these may correspond to strategic layer events, such as leading to new missions, or causing the AI to reprioritize advent troop distributions

I first noticed this with a mission that I elected not to complete, while I cannot exactly recall the text, seemed to imply it was related to a base raid that occurred immediately following the missions expiration.

It may be a good idea to collect mission objective text in this article as well.

I've decided it would be best to not edit the article to include this stub of information.

--Ghede (talk) 09:33, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I noticed when I completed a mission with the Find a Lead objective, it completed that objective in the strategic layer (I now have "grow the resistance" instead). I assume they correspond to strategic objectives (and I just haven't seen the Get Advent's Attention objective yet).
These extra scan sites are the "Intel Package" listed in the mission reward section. --Mavoc (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
The alternative is that Get Advent's Attention might signify that this mission will generate more threat than usual.

--Binkyuk (talk) 11:12, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I think that leads are things that direct you to interesting things? I think that after I do one of them, I often get another scan site. For instance, I got some that directed me to scan sites with a MEC, intel, supplies, etc. Possibly also to "storylines" (for lack of a better descriptor), for instance the liberation "storyline".

ff03k64 (talk) 06:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I think objectives and rewards should be discussed together because many of those are tied together. Here is what i have observed so far about mission objectives and rewards:

  • The "Find a lead" objective is tied to the "Intel package" reward and shows on various green missions. One of those will start the liberation quest and allow further liberation missions. Other leads will pop vanilla style scansites (with reduced duration) allowing for more supplies/intel/personnel... with no risk to your troops. As such they are all valuable.
  • Further liberation missions will have a Liberation:something reward.
  • Missions with an objective to eliminate an Advent VIP or blow up a monument will have a Draw Advent attention "reward" in addition to some intel. This means Advent will try to transfer forces to that region, probably increasing strength in that region while reducing it in surrounding regions.
  • Missions with an ambush objective (wilderness supply line, slums ambushes) have "Enemy materiel" rewards which means you get to keep the corpses in those missions, and you can recover further supplies/alloys/elerium (especially when attacking a supply line). Those missions also appear to have a hidden reward of destroying some Advent power, meaning it's gone from the map rather than redirected as with the draw attention reward (at least, it's gone for some time, Advent will replace lost troops sooner rather than later)
  • Missions with "Unhindered operations" as a reward (typically protect the device missions) allow you to keep operating Intel job on the haven. If you fail or ignore one of those, you won't be able to run any intel on that haven for some time.
  • Missions with "attack counterinsurgency" or something similar as a reward are your typical counter dark event guerilla ops. They must be detected and infiltrated as most missions.

I'll try to note every mission i encounter and how they work, as well as look at the ini files to try and determine the possible missions. --Lord Yanaek (talk) 13:47, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I think the best way to present the missions would be some table listing the objectives/rewards as well as some basic information. Then each mission name could link to a mission page with more details and strategic tips. Here is an example of how it could be presented.

Mission Objectives Rewards Origin Infiltration Concealment Timer Materiel
Guerilla (Hacking)
  • Hack an Advent Workstation
  • Find a lead
  • Extract your soldiers
  • Intel
  • Intel Package
Resistance Yes Yes Objective No
Extract a VIP
  • Extract a VIP from Advent City
  • Extract your soldiers
  • VIP
Resistance Yes No Extraction No
Advent Intel Raid
  • Protect resistance device
  • Kill all enemy
  • Unhindered Operations
Advent No No No No

--Lord Yanaek (talk) 13:10, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

More missions

There is also a mission to root out the advent spies. The one I did tonight had 5 advent and the faceless spy. Also, does anyone know what is up with the formatting?

ff03k64 (talk) 06:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the new ADVENT activity subheader

I think information regarding the AI behind how missions are generated and what conditions need to be fulfilled should go on a page like Advent's Agenda (LW2) or something like that, where they can be explained in more detail, whereas this page should be dedicated to how the player directly experiences and interacts with these missions. Thoughts? DjinnFor (talk) 02:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

There are settings regarding the missions that are defined through the Activities, such as the Geoscape detection times and evac/infiltration modifiers that should be listed on this page, as for the other info it can be moved to another page. There's still a lot of info on the mod files that I'm organizing regarding Missions and the Strategic AI and they're all connected so it's kinda hard sometimes to separate both. Hobbes (talk) 02:56, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


Timers

I feel like the ones that have a countdown exit should have a timer listed (one of the haven retaliations I believe). And there should be some sort of superscript to label ones that the mission isn't an immediate fail at the end of the timer (i.e. hacking the workstation you can still kill stuff after the timer is off, as long as you completed the objective). Thoughts?

ff03k64 (talk) 16:48, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


Has someone found out the exact amount of turns VIP and Jailbreak missions are now giving us? Because timers in here are really outdated...

Misc

Is there a reason that all the mission types are listed as they are? Some of them don't feel right to me. In my mind, rendezvous should be retaliation. I am not sure exactly what they are, but troops maneuvers, intel raid, supply convoy, and recruit raid don't sound like the liberation missions to me. Defend also sounds like a retaliation.

Are these missions listed as such based on their categorization in the code somewhere? ff03k64 (talk) 17:02, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

The mission types are listed as described on the .ini files. From my understanding the type (Council, GOps, etc.) is used mainly for the Geoscape pop-up alerts and icons and doesn't seem to have any other effect on gameplay. I was considering removing this info from the table but I decided to leave them for now. Hobbes (talk) 17:20, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Enemy Materiel

I removed the line

Missions that let you keep corpses will list the reward of "enemy materiel".

in the section "Collecting Enemy Corpses" as of 1.3 Smash and grab missions list rewards as "Enemy Materiel" but do not award corpses upon success. Dogemon (talk) 17:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)