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Magic9mushroom: Moving TFTD info to the TFTD article.
2015-11-25T09:39:22Z
<p>Moving TFTD info to the TFTD article.</p>
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Hobbes: categorizing
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Spike: Coilgun small arms. Craft Gas Cannon = Light Gas Gun. Gauss Cannon = Railgun or Coilgun. Tidied links.
2012-09-09T15:26:58Z
<p>Coilgun small arms. Craft Gas Cannon = Light Gas Gun. Gauss Cannon = Railgun or Coilgun. Tidied links.</p>
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https://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Realistic_Equivalents_(TFTD)&diff=36326&oldid=prev
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Spike
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Spike: First draft
2012-09-07T10:47:48Z
<p>First draft</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>* Pistol-type weapons<br />
** AAI underwater revolver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAI_underwater_revolver<br />
** SPP-1 underwater pistol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPP-1_underwater_pistol. Small calibre ammunition designed for underwater use. More effective than spearguns. Inaccurate above water. 4 shot capacity (4 single shot barrels).<br />
** Heckler & Koch P11 Underwater Pistol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_P11_Underwater_Pistol This is the actual Dart Gun! 5 shot / 5 barrel. 10m-15m range underwater, 30m on land. Fires 10cm darts. Not reloadable in the field. <br />
* Jet Harpoon<br />
** РПБ-1М pneumatic 'military spec' speargun. 5m range, single shot, not terribly effective! http://forums.deeperblue.com/pneumatic-spearguns/94639-russian-1-pneumatic-speargun.html<br />
* Rifle-type weapons<br />
** APS Assault Rifle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APS_underwater_assault_rifle. Older underwater assault rifle. More effective than spearguns. Effective underwater range 11m-30m (dependent on depth). Difficult to use, power similar to a normal pistol, less effective than normal firearms above water - 50m range, limited lifespan. 26 round magazine. (Not clear if auto fire works underwater).<br />
** ADS Assault Rifle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADS_amphibious_rifle. http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ads-dvuhsredny-e.html. New selective fire underwater assault rifle based on the A-91M. 18m-25m effective range underwater (dependent on depth). Uses a very elongated, pointed bullet. Genuinely dual-use (water/land). Can fire normal ammunition very effectively above the water, uses standard magazines, and standard ammunition above-water. 30 round magazine. Grenade launcher and accessory capability. (Not clear if auto fire and the grenade launcher work underwater).<br />
** PNW MEA underwater rifle ammunition in 7.62x51mm NATO. Standard NATO bullet travels 2 feet underwater, this has an effective range of 30m. There is also a variant of the ammunition with very high antipersonnel damage. http://www.defensereview.com/dsg-technologypnw-arms-multi-environment-ammunition-mea-solid-copper-general-purpose-supercavitating-gps-and-tungsten-penetrator-tipped-dual-core-supercavitating-dcs-armor-piercingarmor-penetr/<br />
* Grenades<br />
** Mk 40 Mod 0/1. Anti personnel depth charge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_hand_grenades#Mk_40_Mod_0.2F1<br />
** MAXAM EXPAL GAB Underwater Grenade. For anti-diver use. http://www.maxam.net/en/expal/products/weapons_systems/gab_underwater_granade [sic]<br />
** E-105 fragmentation grenade. http://www.pmulcahy.com/hand_grenades/british_hg.htm<br />
** M67 grenade (possibly just for surface use by frogmen?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M67_grenade<br />
** M14 incendiary thermite grenade. A demolition type of grenade for underwater use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_hand_grenades#M14<br />
* Dye/Smoke Grenades<br />
** Seems to be a consensus that smoke grenades would not work<br />
** Can't find anything like a dye grenade...<br />
* Underwater Demolition Charges<br />
** Many types and models exist...<br />
* Gas Cannon / Hydro Jet Cannon<br />
** Arsenal RLV-AD anti-diver 40mm grenade round. Not clear if it can be ''fired'' under water, or needs to be fired ''into'' water. http://www.defensereview.com/arsenal-rlv-ad-anti-diver-underwatersub-aqua-and-rlv-tb-thermobaric-fuel-air-40mm-grenade-rounds-for-military-special-operations-forces-sof-and-special-warfare-specwar-applications/<br />
** MRG-1 MULTIBARREL ROCKET GRENADE LAUNCHER with RG-55M-1 rocket grenade and the UG-45 universal grenade to engage frogmen. (Link broken)</div>
Spike