Talk:Armor (Long War)

DR

The damage reduction formula has been published, so we know for a fact that 0.3DR = 30% chance and 0.33DR = 33% chance. Either there's a hidden 0.03 on the armour or the chance is 30% not 33%. Binkyuk (talk) 15:50, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

There is some confusion with the coming beta 14 about how much damage reduction those two armors have. I will wait for Ellatan's response, it is fine as it is at the moment.--8wayz (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

Google Sheets

I've created a Google Sheets that grabs a lot of useful information from DefaultGameCore.ini, XComGame.int and XComStrategyGame.int, combines it with a few user inputs (such as research requirements, wiki filenames, etc...) and then formats it into wiki tables. This should make it easy to update the tables whenever a new patch rolls around.--Thels (talk) 04:31, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

The sheet can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xRJLa7vQw1H0o7QIkZqEwqdT2AT317hzvbzoZRg4DUI/edit?usp=sharing --Thels (talk) 04:31, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

I've updated the soldier armors with the table generated by the document. I have all the other item tables ready, and Research/Foundry/OTS/Facility tables are really easy to generate from there on. However, I would like people's input on the format of the table. It's relatively easy to change the looks and layout of all the tables generated by the Google Sheets, but it would still require them to be manually copied into the Wiki, so I'd prefer people's opinions on the looks of the table, and settle on a specific layout, before updating the rest of the item tables (and others). --Thels (talk) 04:31, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

I also gave Credits (not the icon, but the actual values) a tooltip for extra information. Could easily expand it to the other columns that include secondary values, but I'm still on the fence if I like it or not, so I could really use some opinions from other people about it.--Thels (talk) 04:31, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

Armor images should be scaled down to 128x64px, for consistency with other pages; table width could be reduced to ~80-90% for similar reasons. For perks (specifically damage control on this page), just use the perk templates that the rest of the LW pages use. The HP, mob, etc. icons seem off compared to their text headers; they probably could also use some scaling down.

 

As far the layout of the table itself, I like it. I don't think the credit icon is really needed - the column image should do fine. The tooltips definitely should be expanded, as on first glance I have no clue what they were for. I don't think the equipment slots and flight fuel need their own columns - could probably just add a note under special saying that shadow armor has one less small item slot, or that seraph armor supports flight mode (6 fuel), as an example. Otherwise, looks nice.

 

One major concern I have is how much of a pain it is to manually edit the page. Considering most updates generally only modify a few things here and there, it's usually easier or more convenient to make edits for small updates manually; some extra white space would really help with that. The other major concern is that of descriptions - a lot of the wiki tables have their own [more detailed] descriptions over the default LW info, and rewriting the whole table using this method would erase helpful information. Anyway, those are some of my thoughts on it.

--Hawkeye2777 (talk) 02:08, 2 April 2015 (EDT)