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== EXALT ==
 
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SHould we put EXALT onto the table with links to Covert Operations and things like that?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 09:59, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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| colspan = "4" | '''XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012)'''
 
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| [[File:EXALT Insignia (EU2012).png|30px]] '''EXALT'''
 
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| [[EXALT (EU2012)|EXALT]]
 
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| [[Covert Operations (EU2012)|Covert Operations]]
 
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: [[Covert Data Recovery (EU2012)|Covert Data Recovery]]
 
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: [[Covert Extraction (EU2012)|Covert Extraction]]
 
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: [[EXALT Base Raid (EU2012)|EXALT Base Raid]]
 
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I already added the EXALT missions to the EXALT template (and just changed the XCOM insignia with the EXALT one as you have above). Is this what're talking about? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 10:38, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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I meant add them to the main table for EU. Example above, just insert it under aliens or something--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 10:44, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:Ah, I see. Well, the issue there is if we should add EW content in general to the table. I've already thought if the Cybernetics/Genetics Labs should be added under Headquarters or not but I haven't made my mind. Any more opinions on this? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:23, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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::What about a seperate column for all DLC related stuff, ie. Slingshot, Progeny, and Enemy Within.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 11:35, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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What about like this?
 
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--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 12:52, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:::I definitely would like if EW stuff was integrated into main EU board, to voice my support Hobbes. However, instead of separate section like above, I was thinking having integrated into main table but with a small icon either to left or right of page to easily identify exclusive EW items.
 
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:::*The Labs would be under Headquarters but with a small EW icon or the meld icon Ditto used above.
 
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:::*Meld would be secondary item under Aliens/Alien Artifacts.
 
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:::*Operation Progeny would be similar to Slingshot section but have both Progeny icon like Slingshot and EW/meld icon next to it or on other side.
 
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:::*Base Defense, Chryssalid Hive and Training Roulette don't need to be on table.
 
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:::*Medals would be secondary item under XCOM/Soldiers.
 
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:::*EXALT would be new section under Aliens with two items EXALT Soldiers and Covert Operations, as Covert Operative, Base Raid and Data Recovery/Extraction would be folded into Covert Operations & back in Mission Types.
 
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:::How's that sound? Sorry can't adjust table, way too difficult with tablet to type.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 14:13, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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::::*Meld Image looked horrible so I settled for (EW) instead.
 
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::::*Any idea for an Image to represent that? Or one for DLC for that matter.
 
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::::*Base Defense is something that people wanted and would be interested so I left it on there, but the others were removed.
 
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::::*Done, I think
 
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::::This what you were talking about?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 14:35, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:::::Yeah, exactly. I'm sure Hobbes could help with images as he's really good with those. Probably tweaks here and there, but overall it looks perfect. Inclusive but clear on "DLC" stuff for readers to get where they want. Edit: added some tweaks.
 
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:::::*I'm wondering if Medals should go under Barracks like OTS since that's where they are listed in-game. Same with Covert Operations is under Situation Room in-game.
 
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:::::*Under Aliens, has "Life Forms", "Overview", & "Stats", should something be done similar for EXALT? May be "Stats" would be useful as not a lot of units and would probably be overkill. (I already feel "Life Forms" & "Overview" are redundant for Aliens, albeit "Life Forms" is cluttered and not nearly as useful.)
 
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:::::*I think it would be best to not include Base Defense, as it seems spoilerific and a storyline mission. We don't list Temple Ship or Alien Base Assault, even though I'm sure most players know about those now.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 15:19, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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::::::Looks good
 
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::::::*They help Soldiers and improve their stats so I'm for leaving it where it is, also the OTS is a facility while the medals are not. If we move Covert Operations over then we get into the problem of it only have Covert Operatives which may as well be moved to Soldiers, thus making the EXALT Tab unnecessary
 
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::::::*Hobbes decided against the separate EXALT Pages
 
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::::::*Yeah okay
 
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::::::I'm debating whether or not to put Genetics and Cybernetics under Research and Engineering respectively--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 15:34, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:::::::I was thinking same thing but devil's advocate says they are not rooms within those facilities like Gray Market, as they are their own buildings (like Foundry) but they are found under Research/Engineering similar to Foundry but that isn't under Engineering. I think I like the idea of subbing them underneath, it would appear "cleaner". They would need their own sections in both pages, just like Foundry has a section in Engineering.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 15:39, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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Lets compare the one above to one that lacks EXALT.
 
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:Exactly Ditto. Would it also look better if list matched in game order? Mission Control (technically doesn't have "an area", so best at top), then Research/Engineering/Barracks/Hanger/Situation Room? If we're changing main table, might as well look at it all for "efficiency".
 
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:Edit: Ooo wow, the first table looks much better. EXALT with own section and Covert stuff appears best.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 15:53, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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::Should we wait for someone else to come on and give an opinion or change it now?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 15:56, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:::Of course, it's a wiki. Everything is up to debate (for the most part, lol). Table looks really nice though, only thing now is maybe try to find a small suitable icon to replace "(EW)". I was thinking maybe one of the new gene mod/MEC icons.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 16:04, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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::::Having the same icon for EXALT and DLC looked really silly, any idea on what we can change one of them to.
 
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::::I can't think of anything to replace (EW), any suggestions--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 16:13, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:::::Both are looking great. I'd have a section just for EXALT since I luv those bad guys. I'd also switch the positions between the 3rd and 4th column to keep the more technical stuff to the right side as before.
 
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:::::Regarding icons I can look for something for the (EW), DLC, and there's already already the EXALT insignia: [[File:EXALT_Insignia_(EU2012).png|20px]] [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 17:50, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:::::How about the Meld Insignia to replace (EW) [[File:Meld_Insignia_(EU2012).png|20px]]?
 
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:::::Here's also a different Zhang image for Slingshot: [[File:Zhang Small (EU2012).png|30px]]
 
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:::::And the Abductee image for Progeny, if it's preferable [[File:Abductee Small (EU2012).png|30px]] or the female XCOM soldier one: [[File:Female Soldier Small (EU2012).png|30px]]
 
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:::::And there's already Shen for DLC (he's the computer guy) [[File:Shen_Small_(EU2012).png|30px]]
 
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:::::I just made a slight change to the insignia, tell me what you think. It might be better looking also not to put the insignia on the Progeny and EXALT headers but next to the links underneath. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 18:52, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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It looks better but I'm not sure about having it on the headers or the text, it just adds in more unnecessary notations.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 19:02, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:On the EXALT and Progeny you can simply put it once, next to the top link, I think it's obvious that the rest is also EW related. And I've just created 2 new EXALT pages for [[EXALT Units (EU2012)|Units]] and [[EXALT Weapons|Weapons]].
 
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::Just posted modded table to showcase some aesthetic changes. Took me nearly an hour to make these minor changes on an iPad. Good god, glad you did most of footwork Ditto. Nice job! Thanks to Hobbes for meld icon. I like the old Slingshot/Progeny icons though, feels more consistent.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 19:42, 28 November 2013 (EST)
 
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Anyone else think that we should maybe move the new table across now?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 15:02, 29 November 2013 (EST)
 
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:I think it's looking good as it is, let's wait a bit to see if there are more suggestions from anyone who hasn't participated in the discussion yet. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 15:43, 29 November 2013 (EST)
 
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::Probably we can move the table now. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 07:24, 1 December 2013 (EST)
 

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