Talk:Organizations

Raids

Browsing around with Apoc'd, I see that there are several types of "raid" actions that organizations can conduct against their enemies. I'm looking for more concrete information on what the various types of raid actually mean. There exist:

Raid - this is the typical base attack using agents.

Attack - I have no idea what this is.

Illegal flyer - a flying vehicle or two attack an enemy building. Used only by Megapol and gangs.

Storm - again, no idea what this is. Used only by Megapol and gangs.

Darkpast (talk) 05:25, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Attack = you get a "Organisation attacked:" message on the scrollbar (e.g. "Organisation attacked: Psyke Attacked by: Megapol"). However, if X-COM is targetted nothing happens.

Raid = similar message, but if X-COM is targetted you get a base defence.

Storm = similar message, but if X-COM is targetted you get a base defence (no apparent difference in difficulty).

Illegal flyer = "An illegal flyer has been detected", and then they suicide two Hovercars/Hoverbikes (depending on current budget I think) against an enemy building (IIRC Megapol can also use Police Hovercars, and I've seen a single Valkyrie get used once, but these are pretty rare).

Note that any infiltrated organisation will use the Megapol/gangs table (which has a much higher likelihood of rolling something interesting, in addition to the "illegal flyer" possibility). When the Alien Takeover screen says "right and wrong no longer exists for these people" it's actually hinting at this. Magic9mushroom (talk) 07:08, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you. So this confirms that non-gang non-Megapol organizations don't attack you with vehicles (unless infiltrated). As for the vehicle used, it's possible it's just a random dice roll with an equal chance of each vehicle in the organization's vehicle park being selected. This would explain why Valkyries are so rare, as the gangs each have only a single Valkyrie at the beginning of the game (though they might buy more as the game progresses).

Which brings me to another question - do organizations ever send out ground vehicles to defend their buildings? I tried attacking Diablo and they never seem to bring out their Stormdogs (the gangs always begin with three each). In fact, I levelled a Diablo building and they lost a Stormdog, but I didn't get a "vehicle destroyed" message. Darkpast (talk) 08:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)