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Do aliens get the first shot in "mutual surprise" situations when it's their movement turn? I only tested it for X-COM troops. In not-formal testing, I've gotten the sense that it doesn't apply to them... or maybe it's just that they don't always make use of it and move (instead of shooting) after entering visual range. I guess some testing is in order... if I can get the aliens to cooperate.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal|Ethereal Cereal]] 21:34, 16 March 2007 (PDT) | Do aliens get the first shot in "mutual surprise" situations when it's their movement turn? I only tested it for X-COM troops. In not-formal testing, I've gotten the sense that it doesn't apply to them... or maybe it's just that they don't always make use of it and move (instead of shooting) after entering visual range. I guess some testing is in order... if I can get the aliens to cooperate.--[[User:Ethereal Cereal|Ethereal Cereal]] 21:34, 16 March 2007 (PDT) | ||
| − | I tested this shortly after the "mutual surprise" rules went up. The rules are exactly symmetric (I have had Floaters get a free shot on camping 60+ Reaction soldiers). However, there are two conflating factors: | + | :I tested this shortly after the "mutual surprise" rules went up. The rules are exactly symmetric (I have had Floaters get a free shot on camping 60+ Reaction soldiers). However, there are two conflating factors: |
| − | * The actual visibility calculations are wonky. E.g., it's possible for a crouched soldier to see a floater over a low brick wall, during the alien turn, but not during one's own turn. Also, there are differences between line-of-fire and line-of-sight calculations; turn-swapping suggests that it is possible to reaction-fire on targets that are not visible because of fences. | + | :* The actual visibility calculations are wonky. E.g., it's possible for a crouched soldier to see a floater over a low brick wall, during the alien turn, but not during one's own turn. Also, there are differences between line-of-fire and line-of-sight calculations; turn-swapping suggests that it is possible to reaction-fire on targets that are not visible because of fences. |
| − | * In some circumstances, the aliens may get confused and oscillate between cover and attacking. | + | :* In some circumstances, the aliens may get confused and oscillate between cover and attacking. |
| − | --[[User:Zaimoni|Zaimoni]] 1:40, 17 March 2007 (CDT) | + | :--[[User:Zaimoni|Zaimoni]] 1:40, 17 March 2007 (CDT) |
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| + | Interesting. This would mean you want to avoid the 90 degree area immediately visible to an alien walking through the door. It's funny how I tested mutual surprise so extensively for X-COM troops but never thought to test it for the alien side. I've got some work to do. ;-)--[[User:Ethereal Cereal|Ethereal Cereal]] 02:14, 17 March 2007 (PDT) | ||
Revision as of 09:14, 17 March 2007
Do aliens get the first shot in "mutual surprise" situations when it's their movement turn? I only tested it for X-COM troops. In not-formal testing, I've gotten the sense that it doesn't apply to them... or maybe it's just that they don't always make use of it and move (instead of shooting) after entering visual range. I guess some testing is in order... if I can get the aliens to cooperate.--Ethereal Cereal 21:34, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
- I tested this shortly after the "mutual surprise" rules went up. The rules are exactly symmetric (I have had Floaters get a free shot on camping 60+ Reaction soldiers). However, there are two conflating factors:
- The actual visibility calculations are wonky. E.g., it's possible for a crouched soldier to see a floater over a low brick wall, during the alien turn, but not during one's own turn. Also, there are differences between line-of-fire and line-of-sight calculations; turn-swapping suggests that it is possible to reaction-fire on targets that are not visible because of fences.
- In some circumstances, the aliens may get confused and oscillate between cover and attacking.
- --Zaimoni 1:40, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
Interesting. This would mean you want to avoid the 90 degree area immediately visible to an alien walking through the door. It's funny how I tested mutual surprise so extensively for X-COM troops but never thought to test it for the alien side. I've got some work to do. ;-)--Ethereal Cereal 02:14, 17 March 2007 (PDT)