Talk:Weapons

Just reading through most of the equipment entries in sequence, I must say we've gathered some very good information over the years. There's always work to be done, of course, but I thought I'd mention some to-do's that just occured to me that need looking into at some time in the near future.

• Standardisation of the individual weapon subsection layouts - suggestions welcome. It's rather inconsistent at the moment.
• Improvement of weapon stat display. I was thinking, perhaps a template would be handy in this respect? Perhaps two or three varieties such as for items that don't need the different firing stats. Sort of like what I did for the base display kit template, only less complex.
• Some descriptions of weapons need work on - although I must admit I quite like the extremely short description for the High Explosive. Short and sweet. It conveys so much!
• There are some universal notes in the various sections that could use a section on their own. Like the tips for the rocket launcher usage or the notes on the special qualities of the basic pistol and the idiosyncrasy involved in pistol armament in UFO. Lots of little interesting things like this that deserve a place of their own rather than being tucked away in all the pages.

- NKF

Here's my suggestion for a standardized template, starting from the top of a page.

Blurb

Auto-generated Table of Contents

General Description

Recommendation

Weapon Statistics

Size

Weight

TUs

Auto(Auto Accuracy) (If applicable)

Snap(Snap Accuracy)

Aimed(Aimed Accuracy)

Purchase/Manufacturing Cost

Sale Price

Ammo Statistics(If applicable)

Power

Ammo

Size

Weight

Purchase/Manufacture Cost

Sale Price

Continuous Fire Rate

Tips And Tricks

Anything else(Grenade Relay, Pistol distribution notes, Blaster Bomb Safe Practice section, etc.)

Suggestions? Comments? Approvals? Arrow Quivershaft 11:47, 13 September 2007 (PDT)

Quick Overview Table

It's ugly, too ugly for the article IMO. But after all that work I want to put it *somewhere*. So here it is. old table has been cast away --Schnobs 13:50, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

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Yeah, sad to say that does look a bit clunky. Perhaps Zombie would be willing to put together an HTML table saying the same thing? I can think of a few other things that should go on that list myself, such as loaded weight and size. Arrow Quivershaft 15:45, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

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A quick tweak to the header and you get this:

Weapon	Damage	Accuracy	TUs	Rounds per Clip
Pistol	26	60/-/78	18/-/30	12
Rifle	30	60/35/110	25/35/80	20
Laser Pistol	46	40/28/68	20/25/55	∞
Laser Rifle	60	65/46/100	25/34/50	∞
Heavy Laser	85	50/-/84	33/-/75	∞
Plasma Pistol	52	65/50/85	30/30/60	26
Plasma Rifle	80	86/55/100	30/36/60	28
Heavy Plasma	115	75/50/110	30/35/60	35
Heavy Cannon	56 AP 52 HE 60 In	60/-/90	33/-/80	6
Auto Cannon	42 AP 44HE 48 In	56/32/82	33/40/80	14
Rocket Launcher	75 HE 100HE 90 In	55/-/115	45/-/75	1
Small Launcher	90 Stun	65/-/110	40/-/75	1
Blaster Launcher	200 HE	-/-/120	-/-/80	1

There's also damage tolerance (endurance?), value, damage types (laser/plasma/AP), the Stun Rod, the double-handed req, and perhaps grenades.

- Bomb Bloke 17:00, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

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A major tweak and you get the following:

Weapon	Damage		Shot Type	Acc %	TU %
	Value	Type
Pistol	26	AP	Auto	NA	NA
			Snap	60	18
			Aim	78	30
Rifle	30	AP	Auto	35	35
			Snap	60	25
			Aim	110	80
Auto Cannon	42	AP	Auto	32	40
	44	HE	Snap	56	33
	48	I	Aim	82	80
Heavy Cannon	56	AP	Auto	NA	NA
	52	HE	Snap	60	33
	60	I	Aim	90	80
Rocket Launcher	75	HE	Auto	NA	NA
	100	HE	Snap	55	45
	90	I	Aim	110	75
Laser Pistol	46	Las	Auto	28	25
			Snap	40	20
			Aim	68	55
Laser Rifle	60	Las	Auto	46	34
			Snap	65	25
			Aim	100	50
Heavy Laser	85	Las	Auto	NA	NA
			Snap	50	33
			Aim	84	75
Plasma Pistol	52	Pla	Auto	50	30
			Snap	65	30
			Aim	85	60
Plasma Rifle	80	Pla	Auto	55	36
			Snap	86	30
			Aim	100	60
Heavy Plasma	115	Pla	Auto	50	35
			Snap	75	30
			Aim	110	60
Small Launcher	90	Stu	Auto	NA	NA
			Snap	65	40
			Aim	110	75
Blaster Launcher	200	HE	Auto	NA	NA
			Snap	NA	NA
			Aim	120	80

I just reused a bit of the code I made for the UFO Aftermath weapons at StrategyCore. I suggest we use the same format as that page. (Why reinvent the wheel?) Granted, this table isn't as condensed but it at least it is organized. Also, I didn't add any other stats to it. No time right now, but tomorrow maybe. --Zombie 21:28, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

O! M! G! -- You didn't do this by hand did you? It has indeed become much prettier. However, I don't agree with the way you arranged the auto/snap/aimed stats. Having one line per weapon and all data sorted in columns allows for easier comparison, which was the prime reason why I started a table in the first place. First glance issues are also the reason why I prefer a dash over "NA". Hmm. It just changed the header first, did it, my precious? Let uss ssssee...

Weapon	Damage	Acc	ura	cy	TUs			Rounds per Clip
Pistol	26 AP	60	--	78	18	--	30	12
Rifle	30 AP	60	35	110	25	35	80	20
Laser Pistol	46 Las	40	28	68	20	25	55	∞
Laser Rifle	60 Las	65	46	100	25	34	50	∞
Heavy Laser	85 Las	50	--	84	33	--	75	∞
Plasma Pistol	52 Pla	65	50	85	30	30	60	26
Plasma Rifle	80 Pla	86	55	100	30	36	60	28
Heavy Plasma	115 Pla	75	50	110	30	35	60	35
Heavy Cannon	56 AP 52 HE 60 In	60	--	90	33	--	80	6
Auto Cannon	42 AP 44HE 48 In	56	32	82	33	40	80	14
Rocket Launcher	75 HE 100HE 90 In	55	--	115	45	--	75	1
Small Launcher	90 Stun	65	--	110	40	--	75	1
Blaster Launcher	200 HE	--	--	120	--	--	80	1

Not better than before, under "first glance comparison" aspects. Even if I could make rowspan work on headers. --Schnobs

Which weapons are two-handed?

Frankly, I don't know exactly which weapons are two-handed, as related to the accuracy penalty. This information would best go either in each weapon page, or here on a weapon list.