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Help! Recently found my disks in the loft and have re-installed the game onto the computer. Can't even get into the game cus i have lost the booklet that held the passcodes. Have been all over the internet but am still stuck! Can anyone help me out?  
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== How to translate properly? ==
  
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How to translate a page on this wiki and to have 2 versions of one page (one in English and one in Russian) which will be linked together by language selection at the left side?
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I did not find how to do this in Help section. Tried on [[Strength]] and its Russian translation [[Сила]].
  
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: I've done a little bit of reading into this matter, and the problem is that the Mediawiki software doesn't have multi-lingual support built in, and it's very complicated to set up. It might even require creating separate wikis for all the languages.
  
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Question: how exactly does one get good screen shots from X-Com?  Hitting PRNTSCRN while playing gives me a nigh-unviewable mishmash of color.
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: The easiest solution I've seen so far unfortunately requires that all the article names are written in the same language (in this case, English), but with a language identifier /fr, /ru, etc after the name. For example, [[Strength/ru]]. To connect the various languages together, a simple template is created which you put at the top of each page that generates the links to all the languages. That is by far the simplest option there is at the moment. However I don't think that it is the most desirable solution since I think you want the links to be in your native language.  
  
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I've created a secondary copy of the game and used [http://www.xcomufo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4469 Max's unofficial patch] to get decent screenshots, but the res is needlessly high there (640x480).  Is there a relatively straightforward way to get a decent screenshot from the original resolution?
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: An alternative to that solution is to manually link the articles together, which would mean more work, but it would achieve the desired effect. -[[User:NKF|NKF]] 22:25, 8 January 2011 (EST)
  
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:: I think that multi-lingual support is a must-have feature. After some local discussion here I think that indeed separate wikis must be created for each language (take en.wikipedia.org and ru.wikipedia.org for example). And that does not seem to be hard:
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::# to create new MySQL database for each language (or to use the original base but add affixes like ru_, es_, fr_),
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::# to configure empty Wikis to connect to that databases,
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::# to configure InterWiki feature of each MediaWiki,
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::# to move existing pages into empty Wikis,
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::# to correct that pages so that they will point to other language versions,
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::# to implement other small things (like appearance of Languages block to the left).
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:: Who is in charge here? Maybe this work worth it? I myself can take the steps number 4 and 5 for Russian wiki.
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:: And yes, user list will be unique for each separate wiki.
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::Fomka 15:03, 9 January 2011 (EST)
  
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For the Dos version, screenshots are done with print screen, but you must then resize the image by half to get the original 320x200 screen size. ''Edit: For those who don't know, you can insert a PrintScreen into most graphics programs, simply by hitting /Edit/Paste (^V) when in that program. Then save using any format you want. JPG usually makes a smaller file than GIF, for XCOM screencaps. I use DosBox for DOS XCOM, and find that windowing the DOS box before making a screencap is better than attempting a full-screen cap. -[[User:MikeTheRed|MikeTheRed]]
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::: [[User:Pete|Pete]] is the person you need to get in touch with. I actually think it would be a very useful thing, especially for organizational purposes. However what worries me is what impact having 3, 4 or even 5 wikis will have on the server load. -[[User:NKF|NKF]] 00:05, 10 January 2011 (EST)
  
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In UFO CE, you use F12. This saves a screenshot of the image in the game directory as a .tga file at the original 320x200 resolution. A simple conversion to a web friendly compressed format, and there you go.  
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:::: I just PM'd Fomka via StrategyCore but thought I'd post my thoughts here too. I think that Fomka's suggestion is the way to do it, despite it meaning that we essentially have two separate wikis. How I would suggest doing it is simply create a copy of this wiki at something like ru.ufopaedia.org but without the content (so basically a blank installation with the X-COM logo at the top-left) and let the Russian users translate it a page at a time.
  
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Print Screen refuses to work in UFO CE because the palette information is not saved, and when it's pasted, the pixel index information is lost.  
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:::: I did think about making a copy of the content, but then you would have to have a copy of the user accounts as well for certain links to work, and you'd have a copy of the discussions in English as well and all in all it would be easier I think to start out with a blank site and go from there.
  
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- [[User:NKF|NKF]]
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:::: My only other concern was that if Russian users create a new page then perhaps some moderators from that wiki should translate the page to English as well. I know that's a bit crappy, as the Russian users would have to translate any new English pages to the Russian site as well, so they get double the workload, but I'm assuming that a lot of people here can't translate their content into Russian.
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I like using [http://www.fraps.com FRAPS] myself. It allows you to bind screenshots to any key you want. It also allows you to take up to 30s videoclips ;-)
 
  
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--[[User:Danial|Danial]] 16:17, 26 December 2005 (PST)
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:::: What do you think? It would be easy enough to set up. --[[User:Pete|Pete]] 08:22, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
  
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::::: I think that the blank installation is good. The first thing to be posted is the rule "translate new Russian pages into English" on the title page. I think there will be few such pages, because translating into Russian will take the priority for a long time. --Fomka 14:11, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
  
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Thanks for the info all, I will start grabbing shots of each terrain.
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== What is the purpose of this page? ==
  
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Question: are there two subtypes of arctic terrain? I'd swear that I see more water when I shoot down a UFO over the broken Antarctic 'coastal' region than when I shoot it over the inner land. Might be just my imagination, though.
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Seriously, what is the purpose of this page? We've used it as a bit of a secondary help page since this wiki was created, and then it changed a bit a few times until it is what it is today, and I still feel like we're not using it properly. I'm not an avid explorer of other wikis beyond the articles, so it has always been a bit of a mystery to me. Any ideas? -[[User:NKF|NKF]] 00:09, 15 February 2012 (EST)
  
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:I don't really know either, though again I haven't explored any wikis beyond the articles. [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 00:15, 15 February 2012 (EST)
  
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I've never noticed it but there's 1 thing that might explain it: when you have Large or Very Large UFOs on maps they reduce the occurance of 20x20 individual maps when a  battlefield is generated. The 20x20 individual maps on Arctic all have 'water' so you will see less 'water' when you are assaulting those UFOs on that terrain. This also happens on Forest, Mountain and Desert where you will have less large hills appearing.
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::"If ain't broken don't try to fix it"? ;) [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 10:50, 15 February 2012 (EST)
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[[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 07:05, 27 December 2005 (PST)
 
  
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== I think there should be already spoiler code here? Pls write it here ==
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If you're gathering terrain images, it would probably be easier to download Daishiva's [http://www.daishiva.com/programs/MapView110.zip MapView] program, rather than taking in-game screenshots.
 
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Thanks for the info about MapView.  It made things much easier. --[[User:Papa Legba|Papa Legba]] 14:35, 28 December 2005 (PST)
 
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Danial, Z, and I have a data dump of all the [[TERRAIN#MCD|MCD]] info, which is real helpful if you're ever looking for tiles with certain properties. ---[[User:MikeTheRed|MikeTheRed]] 20:52, 28 December 2005 (PST)
 

Latest revision as of 15:56, 5 April 2023

How to translate properly?

How to translate a page on this wiki and to have 2 versions of one page (one in English and one in Russian) which will be linked together by language selection at the left side? I did not find how to do this in Help section. Tried on Strength and its Russian translation Сила.

I've done a little bit of reading into this matter, and the problem is that the Mediawiki software doesn't have multi-lingual support built in, and it's very complicated to set up. It might even require creating separate wikis for all the languages.
The easiest solution I've seen so far unfortunately requires that all the article names are written in the same language (in this case, English), but with a language identifier /fr, /ru, etc after the name. For example, Strength/ru. To connect the various languages together, a simple template is created which you put at the top of each page that generates the links to all the languages. That is by far the simplest option there is at the moment. However I don't think that it is the most desirable solution since I think you want the links to be in your native language.
An alternative to that solution is to manually link the articles together, which would mean more work, but it would achieve the desired effect. -NKF 22:25, 8 January 2011 (EST)
I think that multi-lingual support is a must-have feature. After some local discussion here I think that indeed separate wikis must be created for each language (take en.wikipedia.org and ru.wikipedia.org for example). And that does not seem to be hard:
  1. to create new MySQL database for each language (or to use the original base but add affixes like ru_, es_, fr_),
  2. to configure empty Wikis to connect to that databases,
  3. to configure InterWiki feature of each MediaWiki,
  4. to move existing pages into empty Wikis,
  5. to correct that pages so that they will point to other language versions,
  6. to implement other small things (like appearance of Languages block to the left).
Who is in charge here? Maybe this work worth it? I myself can take the steps number 4 and 5 for Russian wiki.
And yes, user list will be unique for each separate wiki.
Fomka 15:03, 9 January 2011 (EST)
Pete is the person you need to get in touch with. I actually think it would be a very useful thing, especially for organizational purposes. However what worries me is what impact having 3, 4 or even 5 wikis will have on the server load. -NKF 00:05, 10 January 2011 (EST)
I just PM'd Fomka via StrategyCore but thought I'd post my thoughts here too. I think that Fomka's suggestion is the way to do it, despite it meaning that we essentially have two separate wikis. How I would suggest doing it is simply create a copy of this wiki at something like ru.ufopaedia.org but without the content (so basically a blank installation with the X-COM logo at the top-left) and let the Russian users translate it a page at a time.
I did think about making a copy of the content, but then you would have to have a copy of the user accounts as well for certain links to work, and you'd have a copy of the discussions in English as well and all in all it would be easier I think to start out with a blank site and go from there.
My only other concern was that if Russian users create a new page then perhaps some moderators from that wiki should translate the page to English as well. I know that's a bit crappy, as the Russian users would have to translate any new English pages to the Russian site as well, so they get double the workload, but I'm assuming that a lot of people here can't translate their content into Russian.
What do you think? It would be easy enough to set up. --Pete 08:22, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
I think that the blank installation is good. The first thing to be posted is the rule "translate new Russian pages into English" on the title page. I think there will be few such pages, because translating into Russian will take the priority for a long time. --Fomka 14:11, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

What is the purpose of this page?

Seriously, what is the purpose of this page? We've used it as a bit of a secondary help page since this wiki was created, and then it changed a bit a few times until it is what it is today, and I still feel like we're not using it properly. I'm not an avid explorer of other wikis beyond the articles, so it has always been a bit of a mystery to me. Any ideas? -NKF 00:09, 15 February 2012 (EST)

I don't really know either, though again I haven't explored any wikis beyond the articles. Magic9mushroom 00:15, 15 February 2012 (EST)
"If ain't broken don't try to fix it"? ;) Hobbes 10:50, 15 February 2012 (EST)

I think there should be already spoiler code here? Pls write it here

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