Difference between revisions of "Talk:Enemy Unknown (EU2012)"

Latest revision as of 22:37, 5 February 2014

Guides and Tips Section

This is related to a parallel discussion at Talk:Classic_vs_Impossible_(EU2012). The idea I've expressed there was to reorganize this section since it's pretty much a collection of mix matched pages. Here's my suggestion on how to reorganize the Guides and Tips section of the EU2012 Table:

General

Survival Guide

General tips/wisdom about everything in the game.

Strategy - Description of all the factors regarding strategy (game objectives explanation, mission & aliens first appearances, etc.) and links to all strategies currently available, either on the UFOPaedia or other sites. Check the link for a first draft.

Satellite Rush - to be written using already existing Unlucky Man's Satellite_Rush_Strategy and User:Xuncu's Panic Management strat.

Alien Base Rush - to be written.

Impossible Guide

Specific Game Guides - with links to all the guides not in the list below

Air Combat

Building Optimization

Any comments/ideas? Hobbes 08:16, 21 December 2013 (EST)

Anything that consolidates information, reduces clutter and improves readability is something I'll get behind. Just let me know what you need help correcting.--DracoGriffin 15:24, 21 December 2013 (EST)

Strategy/Tactical guides

The first draft of the Strategy (EU2012) page is already up. The way I'm picturing it, there should be two main pages/guides, one for Strategy (everything going on at HQ) and the other for Tactical (combat missions). The existing guides (Air Combat, etc.) listed above should all be referenced and linked to on the Strategy page. The main issue right now is to identify content that should be in the Strategy page and create it, if necessary. Hobbes (talk) 09:10, 3 January 2014 (EST)

The Strategy page is nearly finished. I've taken a lot of info from Survival Guide, Continent Bonus Analysis, Commander's Briefing, Panic and even Impossible Guide. The Survival Guide page should be combed for the tactical tips (which should go to the Tactics (EU2012) page and be deleted, and I've used all the info already on Continent Bonus Analysis. The Panic, Impossible and Commander Briefing pages only need be have the repeated info removed. I'd still like to have at least two pages for the Satellite Rush and Alien Base strategies created. All of the other pages under Guides (Economy, Storyline Missions, Murphy's laws, Air Combat and Building Optimization remain as they are, I've merely provided links on Strategy for them. There should be also a specific page about the RNG (currently under Survival Guide) since it affects both Strategy and Tactical. The Impossible page and the Normal vs. Classic section of the Survival Guide also need to be reorganized.

The Tactics (EU2012) page is the next challenge since it involves a lot that hasn't been covered anywhere yet. Hobbes (talk) 12:13, 5 February 2014 (EST)

I still have my EW/Impossible/No-loss rush guide on my talk page, but ya seem to have most things covered. May still be good as notes, so feel free to gank anything from it that you may find useful. --Xuncu (talk) 17:37, 5 February 2014 (EST)

Fav. Icon for the site

I know this is small thing to obsess about, but it would be nice if a Fav Icon was installed. We can always just shrink the site logo. But this site is one of few that does not get small icon besides it title in my bookmarks. --Sunesha 06:54, 6 December 2013 (EST)

Sweet, it is easier to see what bookmarks belongs to this site now :) --Sunesha (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2013 (EST)

No problem - wasn't sure how clear it would be but it came out nicely :) --Pete (talk) 05:01, 1 January 2014 (EST)

EU2012 Table

I've been having a fresh look at the table and I feel there are couple of links missing that would be useful to have under soldiers, namely for the Gene Mods and the individual soldier classes. So I decided to try to integrate them and here's the result: Hobbes 18:52, 17 December 2013 (EST)

XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012) / Enemy Within DLC

XCOM

Officer Training School

Soldiers

Aliens

EXALT

Missions

Guides & Tips

Building Optimization

Classic vs Impossible

General DLC

Slingshot DLC

Friends in Low Places

Progeny

Multiplayer

Miscellaneous

Game Universe/Artwork

List of all Abilities

XCOM Heroes

Making The Game Harder

Glossary of Terms

Technical Information

Its good but looks very cluttered with the pictures on the right on the actually page.

Example

XCOM: Enemy Unknown is the 2012 remake of the classic game UFO: Enemy Unknown or X-COM: UFO Defense in North America. If you'd like to contribute please check the Wiki Tips page for useful information on how to edit pages, etc. And also check the Discussion section of this page or the To Do list.

XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012) / Enemy Within DLC

Overview

XCOM

Officer Training School

Soldiers

Aliens

EXALT

Missions

Guides & Tips

Continent Bonus Analysis

Air Combat

Survival Guide

Building Optimization

Classic vs Impossible

List of all Abilities

General DLC

Slingshot DLC

Friends in Low Places

Progeny

Multiplayer

Miscellaneous

Game Universe/Artwork

XCOM Heroes

Making The Game Harder

Glossary of Terms

Murphy's Laws (XCOM)

Technical Information

Should we seperate stuff that is actually to do with the base and gameplay from the difficulty and achievements?--Ditto51 18:31, 27 December 2013 (EST)

To Miscellaneous? Hobbes 19:22, 27 December 2013 (EST)

The Original X-COM had a general information section and an X-COM organisation section for the base and soldiers. So I meant make another heading and split it into anything that is controllable in game like the base and units and a section for difficulty and Achievements.--Ditto51 13:14, 28 December 2013 (EST)

What do you think of the above changes? Hobbes 14:46, 28 December 2013 (EST)

That looks a lot better--Ditto51 (talk) 08:01, 29 December 2013 (EST)

EU2012 Table Discussion

Can we please discuss any changes to the table before changing it individually?

Abilities (EU2012) should stay under Miscellaneous section since it is nothing more than a list of all abilities
Why did Murphy's Laws (X-COM) go to Miscellaneous?
Continent Bonus Analysis (EU2012) is a redundant page with Starting Locations and the whole Guides and Tips section is going to be reworked (see above post), so if you think something is missing better to discuss it there. Hobbes (talk) 16:55, 2 January 2014 (EST)

I moved The Abilities because people can use it to decide on how to combat the various aliens or how to use them in multiplayer.~

The individual alien pages and the Overviews of Aliens (EU2012) are already meant to detail specific aspects of the aliens. The Abilities page is nothing more than a list of abilities for technical aspects (modding, etc.) and for reference (since it contains obsolete abilities).

I moved Murphy's Laws (X-COM) to Miscellaneous because it isn't really a guide or tips it is more of a list of worst case scenarios that can and probably will go wrong because of the RNG, it doesn't really offer any type of guide.

If you have a document describing what can go wrong, doesn't it act as a guide to help people avoiding those bad case scenarios?

Yeah, I made that because of this, either way none of it belonged on the Situation Room page where it was originally.

--Ditto51 (talk) 17:03, 2 January 2014 (EST)

It was listed on the Situation Room because it is the place where you launch satellites and cover continents with them. But there's no point in having two separate Starting Base Location and Continental Bonuses Analyses with the same content. Both should be merged on the same page. Hobbes (talk) 17:21, 2 January 2014 (EST)

First and Last I will submit to because what you say make sense, but the majority of the Murphy's Laws are things that can't be avoided or rely heavily on the RNG, like "if you have a 99% or less you will miss". That can't be avoided, much like lots of them.--Ditto51 (talk) 17:31, 2 January 2014 (EST)

Why is Flanking on the table if it just a redirect to the Cover Page which is already on the table?--Ditto51 (talk) 13:49, 9 January 2014 (EST)

I think I had noticed that a while ago but forgot about it. Remove it? Hobbes (talk) 21:45, 9 January 2014 (EST)

I'm not actually sure, it is still a gameplay mechanic even if it is a redirect.--Ditto51 (talk) 04:18, 10 January 2014 (EST)

Its pointless to have repeated links on the main table IMO. If the topic requires a page, then one should be written before the link is added to the table. Hobbes (talk) 06:56, 10 January 2014 (EST)

I'd like to propose 2 additional links to the table: Alien Deployment and Damage Hobbes (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2014 (EST)

No comments here, so bump this thread. I've been checking the site stats and the Hero page is one of the top 20 EU2012 pages being visited so it might make some sense to add it as well.

Still no comments, so I'll go and change it. I'm also finishing the Strategy page, although it will also imply a rewrite/elimination of several existing pages since I centralized there a lot of dispersed info and there's no point in having repeated info. Hobbes (talk) 12:00, 5 February 2014 (EST)

Enemy Unknown (2012)

XCOM: Enemy Unknown это ремейк 2012 года классической игры UFO: Enemy Unknown или X-COM: UFO Defense в Северной Америке. If you'd like to contribute please check the Wiki Tips page for useful information on how to edit pages, etc. And also check the Discussion section of this page or the To Do list.

Привет! Are you proposing any changes to the EU2012 page? Hobbes (talk) 11:40, 12 January 2014 (EST)

XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012) / Enemy Within DLC

Overview

Headquarters

Officer Training School

Soldier

Aliens

EXALT

Missions

Guides & Tips

Building Optimization

List of all Abilities

General DLC

Slingshot DLC

Friends in Low Places

Progeny

Multiplayer

Miscellaneous

Game Universe/Artwork

XCOM Heroes

Making The Game Harder

Glossary of Terms

Murphy's Laws (XCOM)

Technical Information

XCOM Cover
Intro Screen
Enemy Within poster
Enemy Within Main Menu

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-== EXALT ==
+== Guides and Tips Section==
+This is related to a parallel discussion at [[Talk:Classic_vs_Impossible_(EU2012)]]. The idea I've expressed there was to reorganize this section since it's pretty much a collection of mix matched pages. Here's my suggestion on how to reorganize the Guides and Tips section of the [[EU2012 Table]]:
+'''General'''
+[[Survival Guide (EU2012)|Survival Guide]]
+* General tips/wisdom about everything in the game.
+[[Strategy (EU2012)|Strategy]] - Description of all the factors regarding strategy (game objectives explanation, mission & aliens first appearances, etc.) and links to all strategies currently available, either on the UFOPaedia or other sites. Check the link for a first draft.
+:[[Satellite Rush (EU2012)|Satellite Rush]] - to be written using already existing Unlucky Man's [[Survival Guide (EU2012)#Satellite_Rush_Strategy|Satellite_Rush_Strategy]] and [[User:Xuncu]]'s [[Talk:Classic_vs_Impossible_(EU2012)#Panic Management|Panic Management]] strat.
+:[[Alien Base Rush (EU2012)|Alien Base Rush]] - to be written.
+[[Classic vs Impossible (EU2012)|Impossible Guide]]
+[[Guides (EU2012)|Specific Game Guides]] - with links to all the guides not in the list below
+:[[Air Combat (EU2012)|Air Combat]]
+:[[Building Optimization]]
+:[[Economy]]
+:[[Panic (EU2012)|Panic]]
+:[[Storyline Missions (EU2012)|Story Walkthrough]]
+:[[Murphy's Laws (X-COM)#Strategic (Enemy Unknown)|Murphy's Laws (XCOM)]]
+Any comments/ideas? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 08:16, 21 December 2013 (EST)
+:Anything that consolidates information, reduces clutter and improves readability is something I'll get behind. Just let me know what you need help correcting.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 15:24, 21 December 2013 (EST)
+===Strategy/Tactical guides===
+The first draft of the [[Strategy (EU2012)]] page is already up. The way I'm picturing it, there should be two main pages/guides, one for Strategy (everything going on at HQ) and the other for Tactical (combat missions). The existing guides (Air Combat, etc.) listed above should all be referenced and linked to on the Strategy page. The main issue right now is to identify content that should be in the Strategy page and create it, if necessary. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 09:10, 3 January 2014 (EST)
+: The [[Strategy (EU2012)|Strategy]] page is nearly finished. I've taken a lot of info from [[Survival Guide (EU2012)|Survival Guide]],  [[Continent Bonus Analysis (EU2012)|Continent Bonus Analysis]], [[XCOM (EU2012)|Commander's Briefing]], [[Panic (EU2012)|Panic]] and even [[Classic vs Impossible (EU2012)|Impossible Guide]]. The Survival Guide page should be combed for the tactical tips (which should go to the [[Tactics (EU2012)]] page and be deleted, and I've used all the info already on [[Continent Bonus Analysis (EU2012)|Continent Bonus Analysis]]. The Panic, Impossible and Commander Briefing pages only need be have the repeated info removed. I'd still like to have at least two pages for the Satellite Rush and Alien Base strategies created. All of the other pages under Guides (Economy, Storyline Missions, Murphy's laws, Air Combat and Building Optimization remain as they are, I've merely provided links on Strategy for them. There should be also a specific page about the RNG (currently under Survival Guide) since it affects both Strategy and Tactical. The Impossible page and the Normal vs. Classic section of the Survival Guide also need to be reorganized.
+: The [[Tactics (EU2012)]] page is the next challenge since it involves a lot that hasn't been covered anywhere yet. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 12:13, 5 February 2014 (EST)
+::I still have my EW/Impossible/No-loss rush guide on my [[User_talk:Xuncu|talk page]], but ya seem to have most things covered. May still be good as notes, so feel free to gank anything from it that you may find useful. --[[User:Xuncu|Xuncu]] ([[User talk:Xuncu|talk]]) 17:37, 5 February 2014 (EST)
+== Fav. Icon for the site ==
+I know this is small thing to obsess about, but it would be nice if a Fav Icon was installed. We can always just shrink the site logo. But this site is one of few that does not get small icon besides it title in my bookmarks. --[[User:Sunesha|Sunesha]] 06:54, 6 December 2013 (EST)
+Sweet, it is easier to see what bookmarks belongs to this site now :) --[[User:Sunesha|Sunesha]] ([[User talk:Sunesha|talk]]) 16:38, 30 December 2013 (EST)
+:No problem - wasn't sure how clear it would be but it came out nicely :) --[[User:Pete|Pete]] ([[User talk:Pete|talk]]) 05:01, 1 January 2014 (EST)
+==EU2012 Table==
+I've been having a fresh look at the table and I feel there are couple of links missing that would be useful to have under soldiers, namely for the Gene Mods and the individual soldier classes. So I decided to try to integrate them and here's the result: [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 18:52, 17 December 2013 (EST)
-SHould we put EXALT onto the table with links to Covert Operations and things like that?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 09:59, 28 November 2013 (EST)
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 <tr style="vertical-align: top;">
-<td colspan = "4">
+<td colspan = "5">
 {| {{stdTable}} title = "XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012)" width = "100%"
 |- {{stdTable Heading}}
-| colspan = "4" | '''XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012)'''
+| colspan = "5" | '''XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012) / Enemy Within DLC [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px]]'''
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 {| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
 |- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
-| [[File:EXALT Insignia (EU2012).png|30px]] '''EXALT'''
+| [[File:Vigilo_Confido_black.png|30px]] '''XCOM'''
+|-
+| [[Info (EU2012)|Game Information]]
+: [[XCOM (EU2012)|Commander's Briefing]]
+: [[XCOM_Base_Location_(EU2012)|Base Location]]
+: [[The Council (EU2012)|The Council]]
+: [[Difficulty (EU2012)|Difficulty Levels]]
+:: [[Second Wave (EU2012)|Second Wave]]
+: [[Achievements (EU2012)|Achievements]]
+[[XCOM Headquarters (EU2012)|Headquarters]]
+: [[Mission Control (EU2012)|Mission Control]]
+: [[Research (EU2012)|Research]]
+:: [[Genetics Lab (EU2012)|Genetics Lab]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+: [[Engineering (EU2012)|Engineering]]
+:: [[Foundry_(EU2012)|Foundry]]
+::: [[S.H.I.V. (EU2012)|S.H.I.V.]]
+:: [[Cybernetics Lab (EU2012)|Cybernetics Lab]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|E1W DLC]]
+:[[Barracks (EU2012)|Barracks]]
+:: [[OTS_(EU2012)| Officer Training School]]
+:: [[Memorial (EU2012)|Memorial]]
+: [[Hangar (EU2012)|Hangar]]
+: [[Situation Room (EU2012)|Situation Room]]
+:: [[Gray Market (EU2012)|Gray Market]]
+:: [[Finances (EU2012)|Finances]]
+:: [[Covert Operations (EU2012)|Covert Operations]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
 |-
-| [[EXALT (EU2012)|EXALT]]
+|}
+</td>
+<td style="width: 220px; border:1px gray solid;">
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[Image:Lone_Wolf_(EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Soldiers'''
+|-
+| [[Soldiers (EU2012)|Soldiers]]
+: [[Classes (EU2012)|Classes]]
+:: [[Assault (EU2012)|Assault]]
+:: [[Heavy (EU2012)|Heavy]]
+:: [[Sniper (EU2012)|Sniper]]
+:: [[Support (EU2012)|Support]]
+:: [[Psionic (EU2012)|Psionic]]
+:: [[MEC Trooper (EU2012)|MEC Trooper]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+: [[Armor (EU2012)|Armor]]
+: [[Equipment (EU2012)#Portable Equipment|Equipment]]
+: [[Weapons (EU2012)|Weapons]]
+: [[Gene Mods (EU2012)|Gene Mods]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+: [[Medals (EU2012)|Medals]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+: [[Covert Operative (EU2012)|Covert Operative]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|-
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Head red 2.png|30px]] '''Aliens'''
+|-
+| [[Alien Life Forms (EU2012)|Alien Life Forms]]
+:[[Overviews of Aliens (EU2012)|Overview of Aliens]]
+:[[Alien Stats (EU2012)|Alien Stats]]
+|-
+| [[UFOs (EU2012)|UFOs]]
+|-
+|[[Alien Artifacts (EU2012)|Alien Artifacts]]
+: [[Meld (EU2012)|Meld]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:EXALT Insignia (EU2012).png|25px]] '''EXALT''' [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|-
+|
+[[EXALT (EU2012)|EXALT]]
+: [[EXALT Units (EU2012)|Soldiers]]
+: [[EXALT Weapons (EU2012)|Equipment]]
+|}
+</td>
+<td style="width: 220px; border:1px gray solid;">
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Skyranger Pilot (EU2012).png|30px]] '''Missions'''
+|-
+| [[Gameplay Mechanics (EU2012)|Gameplay Mechanics]]
+: [[Chance to Hit (EU2012)|Chance to Hit]]
+: [[Cover (EU2012)|Cover]]
+: [[Critical Wounds (EU2012)|Critical Wounds]]
+: [[Flanking (EU2012)|Flanking]]
+: [[Overwatch (EU2012)|Overwatch]]
+: [[Suppression (EU2012)|Suppression]]
+[[Tactics (EU2012)|Combat Tactics]]
+: [[Squads (EU2012)| Squads]]
+[[Missions (EU2012)|Mission Types]]
+: [[Mission Names (EU2012)|Mission Names]]
+: [[After Action Report (EU2012)|After Action Report]]
+[[Maps (EU2012)|Maps]]
+: [[Map Tables (EU2012)|Tables]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Bradford Small (EU2012).png|30px]] '''Guides & Tips'''
+|-
+|
+[[Air Combat (EU2012)|Air Combat]]
+[[Survival Guide (EU2012)|Survival Guide]]
+[[Building Optimization]]
+[[Economy]]
+[[Panic (EU2012)|Panic]]
+[[Storyline Missions (EU2012)|Story Walkthrough]]
+[[Class Builds (EU2012)|Class Builds]]
+[[Classic vs Impossible (EU2012)|Classic vs Impossible]]
+[[Murphy's Laws (X-COM)#Strategic (Enemy Unknown)|Murphy's Laws (XCOM)]]
+|}
+</td>
+<td style="width:220px; border:1px gray solid;">
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Shen Small (EU2012).png|30px]] '''General DLC'''
+|-
+|
+[[DLC (EU2012)|General Information]]
+: [[Elite Soldier Pack DLC (EU2012)|Elite Soldier Pack]]
+: [[XCOM: Enemy Within DLC (EU2012)|Enemy Within]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:New Friend (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Slingshot DLC'''
+|-
+|
+[[Slingshot DLC (EU2012)|Operation Slingshot]]
+: [[Friends in Low Places (EU2012)|Friends in Low Places]]
+: [[Confounding Light (EU2012)|Confounding Light]]
+: [[Gangplank (EU2012)|Gangplank]]
+: [[Shaojie Zhang (EU2012)|Shaojie Zhang]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Saved to Savior (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Progeny''' [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|-
+|
+[[Progeny (EU2012)|Operation Progeny]]
+: [[Portent (EU2012)|Portent]]
+: [[Deluge (EU2012)|Deluge]]
+: [[Furies (EU2012)|Furies]]
+: [[Annette Durand (EU2012)|Annette Durand]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Meet New People Then Kill Them (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Multiplayer'''
 |-
-| [[Covert Operations (EU2012)|Covert Operations]]
+|
-: [[Covert Data Recovery (EU2012)|Covert Data Recovery]]
+[[Multiplayer (EU2012)|Multiplayer]]
-: [[Covert Extraction (EU2012)|Covert Extraction]]
-: [[EXALT Base Raid (EU2012)|EXALT Base Raid]]
+: [[Maps (EU2012)|Maps]]
+: [[Multiplayer Tactics (EU2012)|Multiplayer Tactics]]
+: [[Multiplayer Builds (EU2012)|Squad Builds]]
+|}
+</td>
+<td style="width:220px; border:1px gray solid;">
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Happy to Oblige (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Miscellaneous'''
+|-
+|
+[[Game Credits (EU2012)|Game Credits]]
+[[Storyline (EU2012)|Storyline]]
+[[News Items (EU2012)|News Ticker]]
+[[Game Universe (EU2012)|Game Universe/Artwork]]
+[[Abilities (EU2012)|List of all Abilities]]
+[[Hero (EU2012)|XCOM Heroes]]
+[[Making The Game Harder (EU2012)|Making The Game Harder]]
+[[Glossary|Glossary of Terms]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Combat Ready (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Technical Information'''
+|-
+|
+[[Patches (EU2012)| Patches]]
+[[Bugs (EU2012)| Bugs]]
+[[Mods (EU2012)| Mods & Suggestions]]
+[[Game Editors (EU2012)|Game Editors]]
+[[Game Files (EU2012)|Game Files]]
+[[Unused Features (EU2012)|Unused Features]]
+[[Wiki Tips (EU2012)|Wiki Tips]]
 |}
+</td>
+</tr>
 </table>
-I already added the EXALT missions to the EXALT template (and just changed the XCOM insignia with the EXALT one as you have above). Is this what're talking about? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 10:38, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+:Its good but looks very cluttered with the pictures on the right on the actually page.
-{{EXALT (EU2012)}}
+===Example===
-I meant add them to the main table for EU. Example above, just insert it under aliens or something--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 10:44, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+''XCOM: Enemy Unknown'' is the 2012 remake of the classic game ''[[XCOM|UFO: Enemy Unknown]]'' or ''X-COM: UFO Defense'' in North America. If you'd like to contribute please check the [[Wiki Tips (EU2012)|Wiki Tips]] page for useful information on how to edit pages, etc. And also check the [[Talk:Enemy_Unknown_(EU2012)|Discussion]] section of this page or the [[To Do List (EU2012)|To Do]] list.
-:Ah, I see. Well, the issue there is if we should add EW content in general to the table. I've already thought if the Cybernetics/Genetics Labs should be added under Headquarters or not but I haven't made my mind. Any more opinions on this? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 11:23, 28 November 2013 (EST)
-::What about a seperate column for all DLC related stuff, ie. Slingshot, Progeny, and Enemy Within.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 11:35, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+<table style="padding-left:20px;">
-What about like this?
+<tr style="vertical-align: top;">
-===New Table===
+<td colspan = "5">
-{{:User:Ditto51/Sandbox 3}}
+{| {{stdTable}} title = "XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012)" width = "100%"
---[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 12:52, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+|- {{stdTable Heading}}
-:::I definitely would like if EW stuff was integrated into main EU board, to voice my support Hobbes. However, instead of separate section like above, I was thinking having integrated into main table but with a small icon either to left or right of page to easily identify exclusive EW items.
+| colspan = "5" | '''XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012) / Enemy Within DLC [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px]]'''
-:::*The Labs would be under Headquarters but with a small EW icon or the meld icon Ditto used above.
+|-
-:::*Meld would be secondary item under Aliens/Alien Artifacts.
+|}
-:::*Operation Progeny would be similar to Slingshot section but have both Progeny icon like Slingshot and EW/meld icon next to it or on other side.
+</td>
-:::*Base Defense, Chryssalid Hive and Training Roulette don't need to be on table.
+</tr>
-:::*Medals would be secondary item under XCOM/Soldiers.
+<tr style="vertical-align: top;">
-:::*EXALT would be new section under Aliens with two items EXALT Soldiers and Covert Operations, as Covert Operative, Base Raid and Data Recovery/Extraction would be folded into Covert Operations & back in Mission Types.
+<td style="width:220px; border:1px gray solid;">
-:::How's that sound? Sorry can't adjust table, way too difficult with tablet to type.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 14:13, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Vigilo_Confido_black.png|30px]] '''Overview'''
+|-
+| [[Info (EU2012)|Game Information]]
+: [[XCOM (EU2012)|Commander's Briefing]]
+: [[XCOM_Base_Location_(EU2012)|Base Location]]
+: [[The Council (EU2012)|The Council]]
+: [[Difficulty (EU2012)|Difficulty Levels]]
+:: [[Second Wave (EU2012)|Second Wave]]
+: [[Achievements (EU2012)|Achievements]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Vigilo_Confido_black.png|30px]] '''XCOM'''
+|-
+| [[XCOM Headquarters (EU2012)|Headquarters]]
+|-
+| [[Mission Control (EU2012)|Mission Control]]
+: [[Research (EU2012)|Research]]
+:: [[Genetics Lab (EU2012)|Genetics Lab]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+: [[Engineering (EU2012)|Engineering]]
+:: [[Foundry_(EU2012)|Foundry]]
+::: [[S.H.I.V. (EU2012)|S.H.I.V.]]
+:: [[Cybernetics Lab (EU2012)|Cybernetics Lab]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|E1W DLC]]
+:[[Barracks (EU2012)|Barracks]]
+:: [[OTS_(EU2012)| Officer Training School]]
+:: [[Memorial (EU2012)|Memorial]]
+: [[Hangar (EU2012)|Hangar]]
+: [[Situation Room (EU2012)|Situation Room]]
+:: [[Gray Market (EU2012)|Gray Market]]
+:: [[Finances (EU2012)|Finances]]
+:: [[Covert Operations (EU2012)|Covert Operations]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|-
+|}
+</td>
+<td style="width: 220px; border:1px gray solid;">
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[Image:Lone_Wolf_(EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Soldiers'''
+|-
+| [[Soldiers (EU2012)|Soldiers]]
+: [[Classes (EU2012)|Classes]]
+:: [[Assault (EU2012)|Assault]]
+:: [[Heavy (EU2012)|Heavy]]
+:: [[Sniper (EU2012)|Sniper]]
+:: [[Support (EU2012)|Support]]
+:: [[Psionic (EU2012)|Psionic]]
+:: [[MEC Trooper (EU2012)|MEC Trooper]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+: [[Armor (EU2012)|Armor]]
+: [[Equipment (EU2012)#Portable Equipment|Equipment]]
+: [[Weapons (EU2012)|Weapons]]
+: [[Gene Mods (EU2012)|Gene Mods]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+: [[Medals (EU2012)|Medals]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+: [[Covert Operative (EU2012)|Covert Operative]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|-
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Head red 2.png|30px]] '''Aliens'''
+|-
+| [[Alien Life Forms (EU2012)|Alien Life Forms]]
+:[[Overviews of Aliens (EU2012)|Overview of Aliens]]
+:[[Alien Stats (EU2012)|Alien Stats]]
+|-
+| [[UFOs (EU2012)|UFOs]]
+|-
+|[[Alien Artifacts (EU2012)|Alien Artifacts]]
+: [[Meld (EU2012)|Meld]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:EXALT Insignia (EU2012).png|25px]] '''EXALT''' [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|-
+|
+[[EXALT (EU2012)|EXALT]]
+: [[EXALT Units (EU2012)|Soldiers]]
+: [[EXALT Weapons (EU2012)|Equipment]]
+|}
+</td>
+<td style="width: 220px; border:1px gray solid;">
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Skyranger Pilot (EU2012).png|30px]] '''Missions'''
+|-
+| [[Gameplay Mechanics (EU2012)|Gameplay Mechanics]]
+: [[Chance to Hit (EU2012)|Chance to Hit]]
+: [[Cover (EU2012)|Cover]]
+: [[Critical Wounds (EU2012)|Critical Wounds]]
+: [[Flanking (EU2012)|Flanking]]
+: [[Overwatch (EU2012)|Overwatch]]
+: [[Suppression (EU2012)|Suppression]]
+[[Tactics (EU2012)|Combat Tactics]]
+: [[Squads (EU2012)| Squads]]
+[[Missions (EU2012)|Mission Types]]
+: [[Mission Names (EU2012)|Mission Names]]
+: [[After Action Report (EU2012)|After Action Report]]
+[[Maps (EU2012)|Maps]]
+: [[Map Tables (EU2012)|Tables]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Bradford Small (EU2012).png|30px]] '''Guides & Tips'''
+|-
+|
+[[Continent Bonus Analysis (EU2012)|Continent Bonus Analysis]]
+[[Air Combat (EU2012)|Air Combat]]
+[[Survival Guide (EU2012)|Survival Guide]]
+[[Building Optimization]]
+[[Economy]]
+[[Panic (EU2012)|Panic]]
-::::*Meld Image looked horrible so I settled for (EW) instead.
+[[Storyline Missions (EU2012)|Story Walkthrough]]
-::::*Done
-::::*Done
-::::*Any idea for an Image to represent that? Or one for DLC for that matter.
-::::*Base Defense is something that people wanted and would be interested so I left it on there, but the others were removed.
-::::*Done
-::::*Done, I think
-::::This what you were talking about?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 14:35, 28 November 2013 (EST)
-:::::Yeah, exactly. I'm sure Hobbes could help with images as he's really good with those. Probably tweaks here and there, but overall it looks perfect. Inclusive but clear on "DLC" stuff for readers to get where they want. Edit: added some tweaks.
+[[Class Builds (EU2012)|Class Builds]]
-:::::*I'm wondering if Medals should go under Barracks like OTS since that's where they are listed in-game. Same with Covert Operations is under Situation Room in-game.
-:::::*Under Aliens, has "Life Forms", "Overview", & "Stats", should something be done similar for EXALT? May be "Stats" would be useful as not a lot of units and would probably be overkill. (I already feel "Life Forms" & "Overview" are redundant for Aliens, albeit "Life Forms" is cluttered and not nearly as useful.)
-:::::*I think it would be best to not include Base Defense, as it seems spoilerific and a storyline mission. We don't list Temple Ship or Alien Base Assault, even though I'm sure most players know about those now.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 15:19, 28 November 2013 (EST)
-::::::Looks good
+[[Classic vs Impossible (EU2012)|Classic vs Impossible]]
-::::::*They help Soldiers and improve their stats so I'm for leaving it where it is, also the OTS is a facility while the medals are not. If we move Covert Operations over then we get into the problem of it only have Covert Operatives which may as well be moved to Soldiers, thus making the EXALT Tab unnecessary
-::::::*Hobbes decided against the separate EXALT Pages
-::::::*Yeah okay
-::::::I'm debating whether or not to put Genetics and Cybernetics under Research and Engineering respectively--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 15:34, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+[[Abilities (EU2012)|List of all Abilities]]
+|}
+</td>
+<td style="width:220px; border:1px gray solid;">
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Shen Small (EU2012).png|30px]] '''General DLC'''
+|-
+|
+[[DLC (EU2012)|General Information]]
+: [[Elite Soldier Pack DLC (EU2012)|Elite Soldier Pack]]
+: [[XCOM: Enemy Within DLC (EU2012)|Enemy Within]] [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:New Friend (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Slingshot DLC'''
+|-
+|
+[[Slingshot DLC (EU2012)|Operation Slingshot]]
+: [[Friends in Low Places (EU2012)|Friends in Low Places]]
+: [[Confounding Light (EU2012)|Confounding Light]]
+: [[Gangplank (EU2012)|Gangplank]]
+: [[Shaojie Zhang (EU2012)|Shaojie Zhang]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Saved to Savior (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Progeny''' [[File:Meld Insignia (EU2012).png|20px|EW DLC]]
+|-
+|
+[[Progeny (EU2012)|Operation Progeny]]
+: [[Portent (EU2012)|Portent]]
+: [[Deluge (EU2012)|Deluge]]
+: [[Furies (EU2012)|Furies]]
+: [[Annette Durand (EU2012)|Annette Durand]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Meet New People Then Kill Them (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Multiplayer'''
+|-
+|
+[[Multiplayer (EU2012)|Multiplayer]]
+: [[Maps (EU2012)|Maps]]
+: [[Multiplayer Tactics (EU2012)|Multiplayer Tactics]]
+: [[Multiplayer Builds (EU2012)|Squad Builds]]
+|}
+</td>
+<td style="width:220px; border:1px gray solid;">
+{| {{stdTable}} width="100%" style="border:none;"
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Happy to Oblige (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Miscellaneous'''
+|-
+|
+[[Game Credits (EU2012)|Game Credits]]
+[[Storyline (EU2012)|Storyline]]
+[[News Items (EU2012)|News Ticker]]
+[[Game Universe (EU2012)|Game Universe/Artwork]]
+[[Hero (EU2012)|XCOM Heroes]]
+[[Making The Game Harder (EU2012)|Making The Game Harder]]
+[[Glossary|Glossary of Terms]]
+[[Murphy's Laws (X-COM)#Strategic (Enemy Unknown)|Murphy's Laws (XCOM)]]
+|- {{stdTable Sub Heading}}
+| [[File:Combat Ready (EU2012).jpg|30px]] '''Technical Information'''
+|-
+|
+[[Patches (EU2012)| Patches]]
+[[Bugs (EU2012)| Bugs]]
+[[Mods (EU2012)| Mods & Suggestions]]
+[[Game Editors (EU2012)|Game Editors]]
+[[Game Files (EU2012)|Game Files]]
+[[Unused Features (EU2012)|Unused Features]]
+[[Wiki Tips (EU2012)|Wiki Tips]]
+|}
+</td>
+</tr>
+</table>
-:::::::I was thinking same thing but devil's advocate says they are not rooms within those facilities like Gray Market, as they are their own buildings (like Foundry) but they are found under Research/Engineering similar to Foundry but that isn't under Engineering. I think I like the idea of subbing them underneath, it would appear "cleaner". They would need their own sections in both pages, just like Foundry has a section in Engineering.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 15:39, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+Should we seperate stuff that is actually to do with the base and gameplay from the difficulty and achievements?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 18:31, 27 December 2013 (EST)
+: To Miscellaneous? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 19:22, 27 December 2013 (EST)
+:: The Original X-COM had a general information section and an X-COM organisation section for the base and soldiers. So I meant make another heading and split it into anything that is controllable in game like the base and units and a section for difficulty and Achievements.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 13:14, 28 December 2013 (EST)
+:::What do you think of the above changes? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 14:46, 28 December 2013 (EST)
+::::That looks a lot better--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] ([[User talk:Ditto51|talk]]) 08:01, 29 December 2013 (EST)
+===EU2012 Table Discussion===
+Can we please discuss any changes to the table before changing it individually?
+* [[Abilities (EU2012)]] should stay under Miscellaneous section since it is nothing more than a list of all abilities
+* Why did [[Murphy's Laws (X-COM)]] go to Miscellaneous?
+* [[Continent Bonus Analysis (EU2012)]] is a redundant page with Starting Locations and the whole '''Guides and Tips''' section is going to be reworked (see above post), so if you think something is missing better to discuss it there. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 16:55, 2 January 2014 (EST)
+:*I moved The Abilities because people can use it to decide on how to combat the various aliens or how to use them in multiplayer.~
+::The individual alien pages and the [[Overviews of Aliens (EU2012)]] are already meant to detail specific aspects of the aliens. The Abilities page is nothing more than a list of abilities for technical aspects (modding, etc.) and for reference (since it contains obsolete abilities).
+:*I moved [[Murphy's Laws (X-COM)]] to Miscellaneous because it isn't really a guide or tips it is more of a list of worst case scenarios that can and probably will go wrong because of the RNG, it doesn't really offer any type of guide.
+::If you have a document describing what can go wrong, doesn't it act as a guide to help people avoiding those bad case scenarios?
+:*Yeah, I made that because [[Talk:Situation Room (EU2012)#Bonus Analysis|of this]], either way none of it belonged on the Situation Room page where it was originally.
+:--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] ([[User talk:Ditto51|talk]]) 17:03, 2 January 2014 (EST)
+::It was listed on the Situation Room because it is the place where you launch satellites and cover continents with them. But there's no point in having two separate Starting Base Location and Continental Bonuses Analyses with the same content. Both should be merged on the same page. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 17:21, 2 January 2014 (EST)
-Lets compare the one above to one that lacks EXALT.
+:::First and Last I will submit to because what you say make sense, but the majority of the Murphy's Laws are things that can't be avoided or rely heavily on the RNG, like "if you have a 99% or less you will miss". That can't be avoided, much like lots of them.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] ([[User talk:Ditto51|talk]]) 17:31, 2 January 2014 (EST)
-:Exactly Ditto. Would it also look better if list matched in game order? Mission Control (technically doesn't have "an area", so best at top), then Research/Engineering/Barracks/Hanger/Situation Room? If we're changing main table, might as well look at it all for "efficiency".
+Why is Flanking on the table if it just a redirect to the Cover Page which is already on the table?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] ([[User talk:Ditto51|talk]]) 13:49, 9 January 2014 (EST)
-:Edit: Ooo wow, the first table looks much better. EXALT with own section and Covert stuff appears best.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 15:53, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+:I think I had noticed that a while ago but forgot about it. Remove it? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 21:45, 9 January 2014 (EST)
+::I'm not actually sure, it is still a gameplay mechanic even if it is a redirect.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] ([[User talk:Ditto51|talk]]) 04:18, 10 January 2014 (EST)
+:::Its pointless to have repeated links on the main table IMO. If the topic requires a page, then one should be written before the link is added to the table. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 06:56, 10 January 2014 (EST)
-::Should we wait for someone else to come on and give an opinion or change it now?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 15:56, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+I'd like to propose 2 additional links to the table: [[Alien Deployment (EU2012)|Alien Deployment]] and [[Damage (EU2012)|Damage]] [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 14:55, 24 January 2014 (EST)
+:No comments here, so bump this thread. I've been checking the site stats and the [[Hero (EU2012)|Hero]] page is one of the top 20 EU2012 pages being visited so it might make some sense to add it as well.
+::Still no comments, so I'll go and change it. I'm also finishing the Strategy page, although it will also imply a rewrite/elimination of several existing pages since I centralized there a lot of dispersed info and there's no point in having repeated info. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 12:00, 5 February 2014 (EST)
-:::Of course, it's a wiki. Everything is up to debate (for the most part, lol). Table looks really nice though, only thing now is maybe try to find a small suitable icon to replace "(EW)". I was thinking maybe one of the new gene mod/MEC icons.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 16:04, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+== Enemy Unknown (2012) ==
-::::Having the same icon for EXALT and DLC looked really silly, any idea on what we can change one of them to.
+''XCOM: Enemy Unknown'' это ремейк 2012 года классической игры ''[[XCOM|UFO: Enemy Unknown]]'' или ''X-COM: UFO Defense'' в Северной Америке. If you'd like to contribute please check the [[Wiki Tips (EU2012)|Wiki Tips]] page for useful information on how to edit pages, etc. And also check the [[Talk:Enemy_Unknown_(EU2012)|Discussion]] section of this page or the [[To Do List (EU2012)|To Do]] list.
-::::I can't think of anything to replace (EW), any suggestions--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 16:13, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+:Привет! Are you proposing any changes to the EU2012 page? [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] ([[User talk:Hobbes|talk]]) 11:40, 12 January 2014 (EST)
-:::::Both are looking great. I'd have a section just for EXALT since I luv those bad guys. I'd also switch the positions between the 3rd and 4th column to keep the more technical stuff to the right side as before.
-:::::Regarding icons I can look for something for the (EW), DLC, and there's already already the EXALT insignia: [[File:EXALT_Insignia_(EU2012).png|20px]] [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 17:50, 28 November 2013 (EST)
-:::::How about the Meld Insignia to replace (EW) [[File:Meld_Insignia_(EU2012).png|20px]]?
-:::::Here's also a different Zhang image for Slingshot: [[File:Zhang Small (EU2012).png|30px]]
-:::::And the Abductee image for Progeny, if it's preferable [[File:Abductee Small (EU2012).png|30px]] or the female XCOM soldier one: [[File:Female Soldier Small (EU2012).png|30px]]
-:::::And there's already Shen for DLC (he's the computer guy) [[File:Shen_Small_(EU2012).png|30px]]
-:::::I just made a slight change to the insignia, tell me what you think. It might be better looking also not to put the insignia on the Progeny and EXALT headers but next to the links underneath. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 18:52, 28 November 2013 (EST)
-It looks better but I'm not sure about having it on the headers or the text, it just adds in more unnecessary notations.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 19:02, 28 November 2013 (EST)
+{{:EU2012_Table}}
-:On the EXALT and Progeny you can simply put it once, next to the top link, I think it's obvious that the rest is also EW related. And I've just created 2 new EXALT pages for [[EXALT Units (EU2012)|Units]] and [[EXALT Weapons|Weapons]].
-::Just posted modded table to showcase some aesthetic changes. Took me nearly an hour to make these minor changes on an iPad. Good god, glad you did most of footwork Ditto. Nice job! Thanks to Hobbes for meld icon. I like the old Slingshot/Progeny icons though, feels more consistent.--[[User:DracoGriffin|DracoGriffin]] 19:42, 28 November 2013 (EST)
-Anyone else think that we should maybe move the new table across now?--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51]] 15:02, 29 November 2013 (EST)
+<gallery widths=200px heights=150px perrow=4>
-:I think it's looking good as it is, let's wait a bit to see if there are more suggestions from anyone who hasn't participated in the discussion yet. [[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]] 15:43, 29 November 2013 (EST)
+File:XCOM_squad.jpg|XCOM Cover
+File:Intro_screen (EU2012).jpg|Intro Screen
+File:XCOM Enemy Within Poster.png|Enemy Within poster
+File:EW Menu.png|Enemy Within Main Menu
+</gallery>
+{{StyleEU2012}}
+[[Category: Enemy Unknown (2012)]]